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Interview: Blue Danube Wine Co. – A Portfolio of Distinctive Wines from Central and Eastern Europe

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It is important to highlight the many people in the background in the wine world who are often overlooked. Importing is an art and science and a fundamental belief in wine and the product selected to distribute. It is not for the faint of heart. The U.S. is the world’s largest wine market and certainly there is no close second when it comes to the very large number of alcohol beverage control laws.

Just generation ago it would have been very difficult to find wines from Greece, Republic of Macedonia, Croatia, Slovenia, Hungary, Uruguay, Lebanon and even Austria; now it is becoming more accessible in the retail setting as well as on-premise. More available in larger markets like New York, San Francisco, Los Angeles and Chicago. I would expect the availability to be more widely distributed throughout the United States in the next few years.

In this interview, I wanted to highlight Frank Dietrich; Frank and his wife Zsuzsanna Molnar founded Blue Danube wines in 2002. Their principal portfolio is true to name–follow the Danube and you will find wines that the Dietrich’s import.

Currently the portfolio includes:

  • Eight Austrian producers
  • Two Bosnian-Herzegovinian producers
  • Ten Croatian producers
  • Sixteen Hungarian producers
  • One Montenegro producer
  • Five Slovenian producers

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Frank and team have astutely added producers over time and have a sterling collection of high quality, artistically integrated and well priced wines. Each team member has presented Blue Danube’s collection across many on and off-premise establishments and have helped to not just present wines but educate about wines to optimize the dish ahead.

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I will never the first bottle I picked up at a wine merchant in San Francisco (Dingač)–I couldn’t believe I had a Croatian bottle in hand. I quickly called a few friends to let them know of my discovery. I thought what an amazing testament to wine culture today. We live in amazing wine times–the best ever. No better time for great quality and excellence in a glass and wines coming from lesser known wine producing countries.

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I soon meet Frank and have talked with him about his philosophy to forge a path that is not necessarily easy but one that is consistent and impeccable
The big story is that Hungarian wine is not just for Hungarian food and for that matter that extends to Croatian, Austrian, Slovenian wines and so forth. Imagine if we could only pair wines with the countries they were produced we would not have a wide diversity of possibilities at the eating table. I’ll admit that I had to break out of the mold of only country identified wines with the respective cuisines.

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Even though I believe in diverse food-wine pairings–I am still working on my Paprikás Csirke (Paprika chicken) and hope to perfect this someday and share with Hungarian wines.

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Blue Danube Wine Company’s wines are fun and playful and approachable for any mood, occasion and any time of year. I do think the wine list is changing restaurant-by-restaurant and we’ll see a greater diversity not just in our own homes but in our favourite restaurants and wine merchants.
For your next dinner party be adventurous–try a Kövérszőlő, Vranac, Grüner Veltliner, Hárslevelű, Sankt Laurent, Cserszegi Fűszeres, and so forth. Don’t let the diacriticals or pronunciations persuade you to not taste and try these countries wines. What you will garner and appreciate are these wines are unique, yet familiar, delightful and certainly enchanting.

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1. Q. How did you get into the wine import business?

 After our return from a multi-year assignment in Austria and Eastern Europe my wife and I wanted to make a career and life style change from Hi-tech. We turned tables from representing American technology in Central-Eastern Europe to representing the wines from that part of the world to the American consumer.

2. Q. How did you select central Europe as your portfolio target?

Living in Vienna and Budapest we encountered the renaissance of wine making after the Austrian wine scandal and the collapse of Communism first hand. We realized that these were ancient wine regions which were just starting to re-invent their viticulture. It was clear to us that there was a tremendous upside potential just waiting to be ignited. We feel that our early predictions have been confirmed and even surpassed.

3. Q. What was the first wine you tasted and enjoyed?

We lived in a small village outside of Vienna where we often had dinner at Unter der Linde, a local restaurant with an excellent wine list. We were surprised how joyful and refreshing the Veltliners tasted, regardless whether they came from the Wachau or the Weinviertel. We also had many Austrian red wines which were making a rapid transition from relatively simple table wines to premium quality wines at that time. One wine that stood out was the Vulcano cuvee made by the late Hans Igler, a pioneer of serious Austrian reds. We visited him in Deutschkreutz, Burgenland, where we tasted in his garage which doubled as the playpen for his grand kids. There were no fancy architectural tasting temples at the time like you see today all over the place.

4. Q. The central European wine category is expanding in the US — year over year — it is no longer a question of what is Croatian wine but do you have producer X or Y or a specific variety – right?

At the risk of making a blanket statement, Central European geography, culture, language, food, and history are all still mostly unknown to most people.  Although there are a few producers who people are beginning to ask for and or recognize, the vast majority of what we do is still simply getting the wines in front of people.  Grüner Veltliner, Blaufränkisch, Plavac Mali, and Furmint are somewhat well established, but there are many more grapes like Kadarka, Žlahtina, Királyleányka, Hárslevelű, Graševina, Juhfark, Kövérszőlő, Irsai Olivér, Pošip and so on that are still unknown and or unpronounceable to many experienced buyers.   Part of the excitement of working with these grapes and places is a mutual discovery that can passed on to the consumer.

5. Q. It seems there is considerable opportunity for growth in the US on and off premise – what regions in the US are growing in terms of their love of central European wines?

In the past two years I’ve seen significant growth in the Bay Area.  That said, these wines still account for a very small percentage of by the glass pours in restaurants and rarely have their own section in wine lists or retail shelves.   While most of Western Europe can be broken down to country specific appellations, our wines are often relegated to the “strange whites,” “interesting reds,” or hidden within a tasting menu.  In addition to growth, there is a crazy amount of range within our portfolio.  We have many wines in small ethnic liquor stores as well as Michelin starred restaurants.  The price point to quality ratio is killer once you get past the diacritical marks.

6. Q. Central European wines are quite varied and present a significant opportunity for food and wine pairings–can you describe some of your success stories?

These are products with a point of view stretching back thousands of years.  They are also cultural products that are a part of a lifestyle that involves drinking everyday.  As such, a healthy majority of our wines have low alcohol, bright acidity, and are fermented in used oak or stainless steel so they are priced and built for the table everyday.   This is not a trend they are chasing; it’s what has always been done.  The dry wines of Hungary’s Tokaj for instance, come from land locked volcanic soils that are ironically amazing with seafood.  Along with great fruit, the volcanic terroir imparts a smoky, briny and mineral richness that brings out the sea regardless of preparation.

7. Q. Central Europe has such a great storehouse of both producers and varieties–can we expect more wines from these regions?

Absolutely, I firmly believe that we have only seen the early beginnings of developments which will continue to produce more and better wines. I’ve just returned from a trip to Dalmatia and Bosnia & Herzegovina where I visited many old but also many brand new wineries equipped with modern technology and run by very competent enologists. There is also a very important shift in attitude and sentiment underway: after trying to emulate and copy western style wines they are now striving to find their own identity. These means that native grape varieties and traditional wine styles are receiving the attention they deserve. It’s easy to predict that more wines will be produced here which are unique and will contribute to a constantly growing spectrum of flavor in the world of wine.

8. Q. I would expect to see many more wines from Central Europe to find their way to a nice diversity of restaurants – Mexican, Indian, North African, etc.  Do you see this as an opportunity?

It’s certainly an opportunity, but many of these cuisines are not yet focused on wine or have someone passionate about building a list that pulls from smaller suppliers like us.  There is your Slanted Door, Ler Ros and Aziza type places, but they are anomalies in respect to the majority of Vietnamese, Thai, or North African restaurants in the Bay Area.   This is bound to change and will be great for everyone in the wine business.

9. Q. Is the consumer expecting more indigenous varieties v. international varities in both their dining and wine buying experiences?

Yes and Yes. Young wine lovers are very open to making new discoveries. Today the internet allows for a rapid exchange of what we have known formerly as “Word-of-Mouth”. Within short time spans unknown grape varieties can go viral and become the trendiest hits to search out. Just witness the recent raise of interest in Sherry, Gruner, Riesling, etc. We start seeing great interest in dry wines form volcanic regions such as Somlo and Tokaj in Hungary. We also see a very strong resonance to the recently discovered Croatian  heritage of Zinfandel which triggered an explosion in interest in the story but also relative like Plavac Mali and other Croatian grapes.

10. Q. I am a huge fan of Sankt Laurent, Pinot Noir from unexpected places (Italy, Austria, Hungary, etc) Hárslevelű, Furmint, Blaufränkisch, Grüner Veltliner, Plavac Mali and so forth–these varieties are gaining a foothold in the US but have a great opportunity for growth–is that a fair assessment?

Yes, see above but also keep in mind that we live today in the age of the sommelier who can guide guests to make new experiences. It also helps to have so many wine bars where you can often make your first encounter by simply ordering a glass of a wine with which you are not familiar with. Or you taste a flight of wines arranged to let you travel to distant and unfamiliar places in the wine world.

11. Q. What is your favourite food and wine pairing?

One of my favorites is Teran with blood sausage.   Teran is a grape from the Kras region in Slovenia and in Croatia’s Istria that is often grown in iron rich “Terra Rosa” (Red Earth) which complements in the iron in blood.  Along with very little tannin and high acidity it’s one of those combinations that makes you a believer.   A couple of our producers (Piquentum and Stoka) even hang curing legs of Prosciutto right above open top fermenters to start the relationship as early as possible.

Another –somewhat surprising – pairing was offered by wine maker Judit Bott when she poured one of her dry, voluptuous Furmint while she served a baked baby goat at a dinner at her home in Tokaj. I suggest that we should pair more often white wines with different kind of meats. Some actually work much better than you would expect.

12. Q. If someone wants to dive into Central European wines where should they start?

Every country has great $10-$15 red and whites to get things started.  Plavac Mali and Graševina from Croatia, Blaufränkisch and Grüner Veltliner from Austria, Kékfrankos and Olaszrizling from Hungary, and great one liter blends from Slovenia. In general, try all wines made from native grapes and see which one you like. You can’t go wrong and only gain more experience, school your palate, and develop your personal preferences.

13. Q. Central European wines have a very long lineage and have worked hard to work through their recent history.  There is a testament to not just survive but a desire to produce world class wines… why do these wine producers do what they do?

It’s easy: Often times this is what their parents and grand parents did, and so they follow in their foot  steps knowing quite well that this is a special time in which you can be part of a vinous revolution. Others join the viticultural efforts in their countries because it is one of the areas which can shine and have a lot to contribute to defining a new socio-cultural identity. And there are some that realize the commercial potential of viticulture in this region and invest.

14. Q. What are some thoughts or things that are important for the wine appreciating public to know about wines from central Europe?

Drinking these wines is the easiest way to travel to these parts of the world.  Find some recipes and music and find some new flavors.  Even in big cities, finding a Croatian, Hungarian, Slovenian or Austrian restaurant is difficult, but all the ingredients are here if you want to make it happen.

15. Q.  Any other thoughts on wines from the regions where you import wines?

As wine moves away from points and towards the story, these are new and exciting stories to tell.  These are also grapes and places aren’t on most of the exams or credential programs, so even within the wine community they are unexplored despite being ancient wine cultures.  When I read about Terry Theise or Kermit Lynch barely able to sell what are now highly sought after wines 30+ years ago, it’s exciting to be potentially apart of something similar that will result in lifelong personal relationships and financial success both at home and abroad.

Interviewed: Frank Dietrich and Eric Danch

¡Salud!

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Bravium Winemaker Derek Rohlffs Interview – James Meléndez / James the Wine Guy

Note: interview questions below are a larger more extensive interview to supplement the video interview.

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1.  What was the moment that you unequivocally decided to become a winemaker?  Was it tasting a specific wine? And / Or Visiting a wine country?

Derek: I was an Environmental Studies major at UCSB whose only experience with wine was watching my parents occasionally drink Mateus, i.e. I had a typically American upbringing that did not include wine at our dinner table or in our lives.  I worked at casinos [a logical place for an Environmental Studies major to land] out of college and was intoduced to wines at VIP and charity events and became fascinated by the many aspects of wine, from geography to history to agriculture to chemistry.  I then did a brief stint in the Wine department at one of the largest wine stores Colorado with distributors pouring wines for us on a daily basis which really ignited my desire to make my own wine someday.  When I moved back home to California in 2000, making wine seemed like the next logical step in my wine life.

2. How do you describe your wine making style?

Derek: I believe that proper vineyard farming practices form the basis for a balanced wine.  I also believe in “Less is more and no is most.”  By that I mean that, the longer I make wine, the more I believe that less oak, less intervention, and no pumping, no fining, and no filtering of wine makes it better reflect its vineyard source and vintage character.

3. How do you describe your brand – Bravium?

Derek: Bravium is Latin for “reward, prize, or gift” and was a name I chose as I thought it would dovetail with my Sip&Give charitable campaign, which is an important part of the winery’s DNA.  Please vote for your favorite charity at sipandgive.com!

4.You have your flagship brand and your artisan brand?  What are the distinguishing characteristics?

Derek: Bravium is my flagship brand and is solely focused on the small lot production of vineyard designated Pinot Noir and Chardonnay.  My artisan wines represent other varietals and blends, each with its own distinct branding.

5. The Artisan line has great depth of story, label, design and overall packing- was it an evolution?  What was the inspiration?

Derek: Each wine has a unique back story, for instance, White Wedding was a happy blending trial accident when I blended Sauvignon Blanc with Viognier.

6. You packaging is one of the most unique I have seen—the evocative imagein your Syrah is so modern and the back label having just the image is so well done.  What was the inspiration?

Derek: Midnight Oil is a very dark wine and, when pulling barrel samples one night at 2am, I thought to myself: “I’m really burning the midnight oil…and this wine is almost black.”  And the name stuck.

7. How did you choose your current set of varietals that you produce?

Derek: Pinot Noir because it is my favorite wine to produce due to its unparalleled ability to express site and good [light-handed] or bad [heavy-handed] winemaking.

8.You have a variation of locations—how did you choose each AVA?

Derek: When I started out, I took a shotgun approach, working with as many varieties and vineyards as possible and kept the best.  Being located in San Francisco, the Santa Cruz Mountains, Napa, Sonoma, and Mendocino AVAs are all within reach.

9. Your Lucky Proprietary  and White Wedding wines are multi-vintages—what is your philosophy on MV?

Derek: When making a white or red wine blend like White Wedding and Lucky, the use of wine lots from multiple vintages is just one more option available to me as a winemaker.  In these particular cases, I see no reason to limit my options….if it makes the blended wine taste better, then that’s what matters.

10. What is the best part of being an urban wine maker?

Derek: The ability to work with multiple vineyards in all of the most notable AVAs in Northern California.

11. What if any misconceptions might there be about the urban wine making movement?

Derek: That it’s a new thing.  Urban wineries dominate San Francisco before the 1906 Quake and Prohibition.

12. Your wines are optimally produced and are all-approachable on a price point level.  Your Character Diamond Mountain Cabernet Sauvignon is priced at $39 – a superb price point.  All of your price points are approachable and are not just value oriented—is this a component of the urban wine making proposition?

Derek: I do strive to offer value and making a $100 bottle of wine has little appeal to me.  That said, as grape prices increase, so do wine prices and the wine market does tend to be very cyclical.

13. You have a very nice and full varietal offering—do you have any new wines due for release?

Derek: There are vineyard designated Bravium Pinot Noirs in barrel that I will be bottling soon from two incredible vineyards: Signal Ridge in Anderson Valley and Beau Terroir in Napa Carneros. I am really excited about these wines and they will round out my Sonoma Coast and Santa Cruz Mountains Pinots.  As to Chardonnay, I am working with the Abbassi family with their 35 year old vineyard as well as new plantings in Sonoma Carneros…these wine will drive the Bravium Chardonnay program forward.

14. In a few words how do you describe Bravium?

Derek: Site-specific, traditional Pinot Noir and Chardonnay.

15. What is the most challenging AVA to receipt fruit or varietal each year?

Derek: Signal Ridge Vineyard, the highest elevation planting in Anderson Valley, at the ridgetop with a dirt road.

16. Your emphasis has been on crafting wines to pair with food—are they stand alone wines as well?

Derek: Acidity is a key component of a balanced wine and allows wine to be refreshing on its own as well as with food.  That’s why I don’t put all of Bravium’s Chardonnays through secondary fermentation…I don’t want the finished wines to be too heavy.

17. In the decade you have been making wine—has there been changes in what consumers are drinking?  Varietals?  Enjoying wine more often?  Seeking specific AVA?

Derek: No comment..it’s a great question that could result in multiple thesis papers and I’ll defer to other industry experts.

18. What is the easiest thing about making wine?

Derek: It doesn’t ever feel like work…even at 2am in the morning after a full day of harvest in the vineyards and hectic activity in the winery.

19. What is the most difficult thing about making wine?

Derek: Waiting out bad weather at harvest time.

20. What is the aging capacity of your wines?

Derek: Only time will tell but many of my earliest wines still have a lot of life left and I believe that the acidity I retain in the Chardonnay as well as the fact that the red wines are bottled unfined and unfiltered gives them the best possible chance to age well in bottle.

21. What person has inspired you the most?

Derek: When it comes to viticulture and winemaking, Kevin Harvey and Jeff Brinkman at Rhys Vineyards are doing things the right way and I find their work to be paradigm shifting.  When it comes to great people in the wine business, Roger Scommegna, one of the Three Thieves along with Joel Gott and Charles Bieler, has become a friend, mentor, and inspiration.

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James the Wine Guy Interviews wine journalist and writer Christian G.E. Schiller

(Photo: me and Christian G.E. Schiller – Schiller-Wine journalist and writer)

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This is my first interview and what a wonderful person to interview.  Through the goodness of social media we met online and also in person at Pinot Days 2011 in San Francisco.  I admire Christian’s very well written blog; his attention and focus to detail and yet he also captures the essence of wine enjoyment.  His travels, wine and winery discoveries are well cataloged with a myriad of stories and great photos often picturing wondrous morsels of food paired with wine.  Christian’s enthusiasm is both evident and contagious.  I look forward to reading many more of his adventures and to once again toast a glass of wine in person with Christian.

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JTWG: What is the story of wine?

Christian G.E. Schiller: My wine story is as follows: I grew up without wine. This changed radically, when I moved to Mainz, with San Francisco and Bordeaux, one of the “wine capitals” of the world. Since then, the days without wine have been rare. As a result of my job at the International Monetary Fund (IMF), I have shuttled back and forth between old and new world wine countries during my professional life and I believe I therefore have a pretty good overview of the wines of the world. My passion, however remains bone-dry Riesling from Germany.

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JTWG: What brought you to wine / how did wine call to you?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I grew up in Frankfurt am Main, a city of apple wine (hard cider), but whilst studying in Mainz, I discovered and fell in love with the wine tavern culture, the wineries surrounding Mainz, and wine itself. My wife and I quickly became involved with wine. We are founding members of the wine brotherhood of Hochheim in the Rheingau. Another founding member is the late Franz Kuenstler of Weingut Franz Kuenstler.

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JTWG: How / when did you become a wine journalist?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I started to write about wine on my wine blog schiller-wine 2 years ago, when I retired. I am a Ph.D. economist, who spent all his professional life with the IMF.

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 JTWG: What has been the best thing about social media and wine?

Christian G.E. Schiller: Social media has allowed me to do what I do now: write about wine.

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JTWG: Why do you think wine has become more popular over time in the United States?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I give a lot of credit to a personal hero of mine, Robert Mondavi.

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 JTWG: What are the undiscovered wine regions in the world today?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I believe Eastern and Central European Countries, such as Hungary, which have a long history of wine making, but were cut off from the world by the iron curtain, are experiencing a renaissance. In addition, China and other Asian countries are developing strongly.

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JTWG: What are you favorite varietals?

Christian G.E. Schiller: Riesling is my favorite varietal, in particular bone-dry Rieslings from Germany.

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JTWG: Your favourite wine moment?

Christian G.E. Schiller: Several moments: A long luncheon with California Pinot Noir Pioneer Walter Schug in Sonoma; an afternoon with Riesling guru Wilhelm Weil at his winery in Kiedrich, Germany and an elaborate tasting with Bourgogne-style wine maker Anthony Hamilton Russell in South Africa.

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JTWG: What is your favorite cuisine and what do you like to pair with your favourite dish?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I like classic French cuisine. Only few people know this, but one of the best places to eat a la Francaise at very reasonable prices is Antananarivo in Madagascar. It is amazing what kind of sophistication you get there for a few dollars. And in Madagascar I only drink Malagasy wine – very good table wine, but not more.

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JTWG: What would you suggest for someone who is beginning to write about wine and what to seek or educate themselves?

Christian G.E. Schiller: Or even techniques or approaches to writing about wine? I went to a community college in the Rheingau region in Germany, where I learnt the basics for 6 semesters (3 years). I think you need some formal training to fully appreciate wine.

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JTWG: Do you have any prized wines in your collection that you have never tasted from that producer before?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I have about 1000 bottles in my two cellars in Frankfurt am Main and Washington DC, but very few expensive wines. I started to buy wines for my cellar in the 1970s, when I was a student. Then I worked as an international civil servant and brought up 4 children. All my life I did not really have the money to buy expensive wines. Thus, I have quite a number of wines from older vintages, but not from expensive producers.

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JTWG: Any particularly favorite wine country(ies) that you visit routinely; if so which ones and why?

Christian G.E. Schiller: When I am in Washington DC, I like to go to the Virginia wine country during weekends. A lot has been happening there in the past 30 years. In Frankfurt am Main, the Rheingau and Rheinhessen regions are 30 minutes away by car and I go there almost every evening ( if I do not go to an apple wine tavern in Frankfurt am Main, which I also love to do) .

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JTWG: What is the most enjoyable thing about wine writing?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I published throughout my professional career (though about economics and not about wine) and I always enjoyed it. I also noticed that I have become more and more interested in the pictures of the postings on schiller-wine.

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JTWG: What wine varietals do you find yourself drinking often currently?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I like to drink local. Also, I drink more white wines in the summer and more red wines in the winter. When I am in Frankfurt am Main, I exclusively drink European wine – German, Austrian and French. When I am in Washington DC, I drink American wines, but also other new world as well as old word wines. The choice in Washington DC is just amazing.

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JTWG: Your blog has a diversity of wine content on nearly every wine subject; you have written a large number articles on German wines.  And what would you recommend someone who wants to learn about German wines—where should they start?

Christian G.E. Schiller: I would like to make 2 recommendations: (1) join the German Wine Society and attend their tastings and (2) follow my facebook page “Drinking German Wine in America” where I repost articles about German wine that I come across and find useful. Many of my postings on schiller-wine are also educational.

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Take a look for yourself to see the plethora of high quality wine content.  Here is Christian’s blog site:  Schiller-Wine: http://schiller-wine.blogspot.com/

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